History of Kirkdale: an early suburb on the banks of the Mersey
Kirkdale occupies an area of flat land on the banks of the Mersey, formerly consisting of sand hills, for which this part of the Sefton coast is still well known. It is one of the oldest coastal settlements, pre-dating Liverpool itself, and containing evidence for centuries of human occupation.
Origins of the name: from Norse kirk (church), and dale (valley / 'road to'); therefore the name may mean “the road to the church”, referring to the road from Liverpool to its mother church at Walton-on-the-Hill.
This would help explain the fact that there are no traces of an ancient church in the area, and only scant sign of an original village. Kirkdale Road was an important route into Liverpool too, once the emerging town became a market destination for traders and producers across Lancashire.
[J.A. Picton recorded that in 1699, when a case was being made for Liverpool becoming a parish in its own right, separate from Walton, one of the reasons was that parishioners were being distracted on their way to church by the ale house in Kirkdale! In that sense the place name referred to a village sitting on the road between Liverpool and Walton, namely Kirkdale Road, which becomes Walton Road at the suggested old centre of Kirkdale itself.]
Morley Street (on a site now occupied by football pitches) can be considered the next best thing to a founding village: it was the place where settlement existed before Liverpool engulfed the area, and can be seen on the early Ordnance Surveys. Kirkdale Marsh lay to the north of here, while Beacon Gutter, a small stream running to the south of Blackfield House, formed the southerly boundary with Liverpool.

Website: https://web.archive.org/web/20180305095809/http://www.liverpoolpicturebook.com:80/2014/01/kirkdale.html Perhaps the best web resource on Kirkdale history is that on Bob Edward's Liverpool Picturebook. There's a collection of old photos and text is a good summary of the area's past.
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Kirkdale c.1900
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Landscape
James Picton, historian and architect, could write in the 19th century that Kirkdale consisted of two hills, with a road (the 'dale') running between. The Blackfield Terrace area was one hill, whilst the second hill can be found in the area formerly occupied by the Liverpool Industrial School (see below).
A stream ran between the two hills, from the suburb of Walton to the place where Canada Dock now sits. This route can now probably be identified with the rough direction of Bank Hall Street, which runs south west towards the River Mersey from Stanley Road. The stream entered the Mersey at Bank Hall, an important building in the history of Kirkdale.
The Moores and Bank Hall
Kirkdale became home to the Moore family from the 13th century onwards. Up until that time John de la More had owned a house - Moore Hall, first mentioned in 1236 - in the north part of the town of Liverpool. But the family began to acquire lands in Kirkdale, and eventually built a new home out there. This was called Bank Hall, and the ‘Old Hall’, which gave its name to Old Hall Street, was left to the family's Lady Dowager to live in.
The Old Hall continued in use until the 19th century, although it passed into the hands of the Stanley family as the fortunes of the Moores waned. The Perry map of 1768 shows the Old Hall as a large house with wings and gardens to one side. In the hundred years which followed this, the house was gradually altered and eventually demolished.
Bank Hall itself was a moated house, with a causeway between two lakes giving access to the building itself. It stood on the corner of what are now Bankhall Lane and Juniper Street, although the roads have seen some reshaping in the intervening years.
The coast to the west of Kirkdale was, before the arrival of the docks, popular as a destination for bathers and those seeking the fresh air. Later, when the Wellington, Huskisson and Sandon Docks were built, Southport replaced Kirkdale as the preferred holiday destination for discerning Liverpudlians.
Kirkdale Gaol
While Kirkdale was still an open landscape, a large gaol was constructed, incorporating a courthouse. Eyebrows were raised in Liverpool around the need for such as huge house of correction, which was said to be able to hold the entire population of Liverpool at the date it opened (1818). The building replaced the previous gaol, closer to the seafront, which had been described by the prison reformer John Howard as " insufferably dirty, grimy and wretched".
In 1835 the court moved to Liverpool itself (eventually to St George's Hall), but the gaol's catchment area covered the whole of south Lancashire. Prisoners who would previously have been sent to Lancaster now came to Kirkdale, and a good number were executed here in public.
The building itself was at the end of Sessions Road (appropriately), a place used since its demolition in 1897 as a recreation ground. The layout used the fashionable model of the 'Panopticon', with two towers in the centre which each looked over its own wing. The prison officers were thus able to watch the prisoners in their cells without the prisoners knowing precisely when (or by whom) they were being watched.
Kirkdale Industrial School
This school was another state-run institution, for the teaching of 'pauper' children, and stood on a site to the north east of the Gaol. It opened in 1845 to the designs of Lockwood and Allom, and was considered an attractive building at the time (some illustrations show a rather palatial-looking building).
The 400 children were taught reading, writing and arithmetic, as well as religious instruction and useful trades like carpentry, shoemaking and needlework. Eventually the buildings proved too small for the number of children needing to be taken care of, and new buildings were designed by Picton & Son.
When the need for such institutions fell out of favour in the 20th century, the building became the Kirkdale Homes for the Aged and Infirm, and were eventually taken into ownership by the council and Hospital Board. Now, however, the buildings have been demolished, and a network of modern roads and houses occupy the site.
Kirkdale, Liverpool and urban development
A village so close to the ambitious and growing town of Liverpool could not expect to stay rural for very long. The old Moore Hall on the edge of town was already becoming surrounded by buildings as the 18th century wore on, and was altered and demolished to make way for road improvements from 1820 onwards. Picton tells us that Kirkdale was still mostly rural at the beginning of the 19th century, and was still only half-developed by around 1850, and the 1851 Ordnance Survey backs this up. But new roads were being added onto Liverpool’s northern fringes to cater for the growth in businesses which were spreading out from Dale Street and Castle Street.
As Liverpool's wealth increased, the richest merchants looked for room to build the large houses that would reflect their status in society. Kirkdale was one of the first areas to become a suburb, and a fashionable one at that. As the Industrial Revolution approached, the area of Kirkdale began to be developed with large houses and new roads, along with other desirable places like Toxteth Park and Mosslake Fields.
Two arrivals in the 19th century put paid to Kirkdale’s days as a semi-rural suburb. The first was the Leeds-Liverpool Canal, which brought trade and goods into north Liverpool, and immediately attracted a huge number of businesses to its terminus around Leeds Street. The second was the Liverpool & Bury (later the Lancashire & Yorkshire) Railway which opened in 1848. This not only encouraged even more industry into the area, but itself contributed to the smokey, sooty atmosphere taking over from, no doubt, the mellow airs of cut grass and cow dung.
Kirkdale's proximity to the docks was always going to make it a great place to build houses for the thousands of casual workers who were too poor to live more than walking distance from their potetnial employers. As Liverpool's growth reached its peak in the late Victorian period a grid-iron pattern of terraces crept across the landscape. The richer classes - from the clerks all the way up to the shipping line owners - moved further from the town centre. The clerks tended to move to Anfield and Walton while the richest built new villas in the countryside around Woolton and West Derby, or north of Bootle.
Finally, Kirkdale was incorporated into Liverpool itself in 1835, and was one of the earliest suburbs to do so.
Twentieth Century Slum Clearance
The swathes of unsuitable housing which blighted places like Kirkdale in the 20th century were the inevitable result of unscrupulous landlords throwing up as many properties as possible for the lowest cost. The bombing of the Liverpool docklands during the Second World War spilled over towards Scotland Road and the surrounding houses, and combined with ambitious slum clearances the post-war council took the opportunity to reshape the inner city.
Parts of Kirkdale became a blank canvas on which to draw in physical form the shape of Liverpool's hoped-for resurgence. The most obvious feature, looked at on a map or from the air, is the loop road leading to the Kingsway Tunnel entrance, but many other parts of Kirkdale were reshaped too, and now the area immediately north of Liverpool city centre is dominated by large industrial units and warehousing, where there was once a mixture of dense housing, and a multitude of workplaces. Many of the roads in Kirkdale, such as once-major thoroughfares like Bevington Bush, have changed beyond all recognition: reshaped, remodelled, diverted, demolished.
The living and working conditions of Kirkdale have no doubt improved a lot since this process took place, but communities were separated when the houses came down, and nothing can quite reproduce the way of life experienced by millions of Liverpudlians in the 200 years since the area urbanised. Some people stayed in Kirkdale, and Logan Towers, one block, was the tallest prefabricated building in the world. Liverpool rivalled, or maybe even surpassed, London as a centre of high-rise living.
Sources
Books
Greaney, M., 2013, Liverpool: a landscape history, The History Press, Stroud
Picton, J, 1875, Memorials of Liverpool : historical and topographical, including a history of the Dock Estate, Longmans, Green, London
Philpott RA 1988 'Historic Towns of the Merseyside Area: a survey of urban settlement to c1800' Liverpool Museum Occasional Paper, No 3, 60 pp.
Online
Kirkdale (British History Online) http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41286
Kirkdale Gaol, Liverpool Mercury Nov 9th, 1857, Liverpool Life http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/kirkdalegaol.html
Liverpool, Lancashire http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/
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Colin Enright
07/14/2011 16:38:16
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Martin
07/15/2011 09:40:19
These cottages could be very old indeed. Looking at the First Edition Ordnance Survey map (1:10,560) they are in a still rural area. Two major buildings nearby are Kirkdale Gaol, and the Liverpool Industrial School.
The houses which still exist on Bootle Lane are marked, and it seems very odd that a row of large houses and a row of small cottages are squeezed back to back between large fields. Perhaps the cottages were associated with the houses, for example as service buildings. Alternatively, perhaps the cottages are older, with the newer houses on Bootle Lane being built on the main road.
Looking at the layout of the gardens, it could be that the larger houses had only short gardens (having been built later), with the rest of the land belonging to the cottages, Back Westminster Road running between cottage and garden.
The two cottages you mention are the only ones left out of the whole row, which extended north to what is now Goodall Street. It's amazing what survives down the centuries.
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Robin
06/19/2013 12:20:11
interesting to read your comments and yes it is amazing what survives through time. Including me. I was born in one of the dank cottages and lived for 23 years in the other and if you really want a tale about Romanies, poverty, betrayal, racism, education, violence and many other social issue's then I have the true story that should be documented in a book.
I remain extremely angry at my early life as a Romany and the manner in which we were treated or ill treated down "the Lane".
Rob.
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Martin Greaney
06/20/2013 10:26:21
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I'm always astounded by the hardiness of many of those born into mid-20th century Liverpool poverty. I'm from a rather pampered generation by contrast, and wouldn't last a week in those conditions!
If you do want to write a short account of your early life experiences then I would be more than happy to post something here, fully attributed to you. I've done something similar before (see e.g. http://www.liverpool-landscapes.net/2011/09/toxteth-some-distant-childhood-memories/). My readers are especially interested in the landscape, how the places shaped your experience, but whatever you have to offer would be fascinating.
Regards,
Martin
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Robin
06/21/2013 13:59:23
I need to speak with a ghost writer to pen the whole story.
Kind regards Rob
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Colette Hickson
11/15/2020 23:38:36
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Margaret
02/09/2021 01:35:08
Do you remember Freda, Dinky and Diddles, my Mum lived in Brunswick Square until the mid fifties. Their family name is Ward, she remembers them with great fondness.
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Linda
05/02/2022 15:05:43
Joseph Ward lived at 7 Brunswick Square until the time of his death in 1937, aged 72. His wife was called Elizabeth. I'm wondering if he was related to your mum's family.
Regards,
Linda
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Madeline
11/19/2021 09:46:30
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John Martland
01/31/2022 15:54:31
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Mark Messham
10/27/2022 18:12:41
REGARDS
MARK MESSHAM
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Martin Gamester
11/02/2016 19:22:23
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Martin
11/03/2016 19:48:19
It's marked on the 1967 map as the "Glob Works (Wire Rope & Cable)". Hope that answers your question!
Martin
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Pam
03/23/2017 23:50:47
I live in 234 Westminster Road and was told when we bought this house it was built in 1825 and was formerly known as Bootle Lane. I would like to see and read about the area and in particular old photos/images of my house and area surrounding. So far have not had much success are you able to help?
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Martin
05/30/2017 15:57:26
You're right, there's not much information online about this specific part of the city. It was rural about 150 years ago, becoming an attractive suburb, and gradually built up into an area of small terraced houses as the years went by. I've never seen any images of the buildings here, but the old maps of the place are very detailed around 1849: https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/335301/393868/13/100870
Martin
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Adrienne Wood
12/21/2021 13:33:43
My grandparents were of Italian heritage, Emmanuel Monti and Emilia Ferri. Manny had been a layer of terrazzo floors, he and some of his male relatives laid the floors in a number of important buildings in Liverpool, and also in the Royal Albert Hall and Canterbury Cathedral. They also did mosaic floors in shop entrances, and mosaic business signs on walls. My grandfather also had a wood and wood related hardware shop on or very close to Westminster Road, I remember at here being wood stacked all around the walls, and big circular saw mounted onto a large bench or table in the middle of the shop. My grandmother worked behind the counter, selling nails, screws, hinges, knobs and handles and suchlike.
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Jane
03/12/2022 17:33:45
My name is Jane and I came across your post, I have no connection to you whatsoever, but I do assist people (no strings attached) with their family research.
I was wondering have you looked into your family tree?
Your Grandfather Emmanuel has the same birthday as my daughter - 12 May (1902) so that struck a cord with me.
If you have already pursued your search please forgive the intrusion - if you would like me to search further for you just let me know
Kindest regards Jane
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Kevin Wood
08/18/2022 10:46:36
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Jean Clough
07/11/2017 16:00:33
I grew up by you & your Sister, remember the ponies & shire horses further down the lane. Your collie dog that ran fast to "exit stage left" I remember your family with great fondness actually.
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Anthony
10/14/2022 07:35:12
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Pauline Parle ( née Hampson )
03/12/2025 08:33:37
just wondering if anyone remembers Owen House , in Kirkdale ?
My family lived there in 1930s , my great grandparents were Richard and Mary Stanton , née Cruz ?
I think they lived at 16c ?
According to the 1939 census , their family , Mary, Thomas and Christina were living there too , would love to find any information about them?
Thank you
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Jeff illingworth
02/19/2014 11:27:58
regards Jeff NZ
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Ken Crawford
10/31/2014 18:29:38
Only just discovered this website and read your letter. In the late 50s and early 60s, I knew a Jim Enright who lived in or just off Westminster Road. His father made (I think) hand-carts. Any relative? Jim would have been born in 1935 or 1936. Until the age of 13 in 1950, I lived on Stanley Road.
Ken Crawford
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Jane
03/06/2012 17:23:07
I'm trying to find out what area in Kirkdale my father was born. His address on his birth certificate says 21 Sharp Street. This was in 1918.
How would I be able to find anything out about his house and area?
Hoping you can help
Thanks
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Martin Greaney
03/06/2012 18:05:15
According to some top research by Rob Ainsworth at the Liverpool History Society, Sharp Street has been redeveloped into Archer Close (Archer Street next to it has kept its name over the years). This is the place today: http://g.co/maps/sg2gj
I hope this gets you started in your research (there are plenty of books on the area), but is there anything specific you'd like to know?
Regards,
Martin
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SYLVIA POWE
08/12/2015 22:17:28
I have been doing a bit of research into my late mother's family tree and found that on the 1911 census her grandmother (Amelia Andrews} had a confectioner's shop at 137 Westminster Road. I wondered if you would be able to give me any information about this, unfortunately there are no family members (to my knowledge) that I can ask.
Kind regards
Sylvie
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Jane
02/15/2017 22:51:17
Are you still researching your ancestor Amelia Andrews (nee Parker)
If you would like more info I can help you with that.
I have found her marriage license amongst other things.
If you already have a full history please forgive the intrusion.
Kind regards
Jane
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sylvia powe
07/27/2017 23:14:06
Have just seen your reply. Although I don't have Amelia's marriage certificate, I do know the details of her marriage but would love to hear from you with regards to any information you may have.
Kind regards
Sylvie
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Jane
08/09/2017 07:50:47
Just came on to the website & saw your reply - as its been some time since then - please give me a few days & when I get a moment I'll look for what I found regarding your ancestors
Kind regards Jane
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Hello Martin, I lived and grew up in one of the two remaining cottages in Kirkdale you were talking about earlier, they are very old and I remember most things from when I was 5 yrs old until I left to get married, Nice to speak to you. Yvonne
03/12/2012 01:28:11
I grew up from when I was 5 yrs old in one of the two remaining cottages you were talking about in Kirkdale, I remember the stone walls and floors and how cold it used to be in the winter, I was there until I left to get married.
Regards,
Yvonne
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Martin Greaney
03/12/2012 12:10:11
That's fascinating to hear that you lived in one of the cottages! I'm still amazed that they have survived for so long. Feel free to share any other memories you have of the buildings here.
Regards,
Martin
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Gill
03/15/2012 23:20:17
Do you have any information on the mills? I am assuming that they no longer exist.
Thank you.
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Martin Greaney
03/19/2012 14:11:47
The main reference to this windmill I've found is on Wikipedia, which states that it burned down in 1834, and references the book Windmill Land by Allen Clarke (1916) as its source. However, I've not been able to get at a copy of the book myself to check.
Its early demise means it doesn't appear on the Ordnance Survey maps (the earliest of these being 1851). A windmill ("Spellow Mill") appears on some earlier maps just north of Bootle Lane (now Westminster Road), though I'm not sure that this is the same one - it's north of the still-present Spellow Lane, and may have used Bootle Lane as its address. If anyone else has an opinion on this do respond below.
I've added a scan of the Yates and Perry map of 1768 to the Historic Liverpool Facebook page to let you make up your own mind.
I hope this gives you a start in your research on the mill.
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Elaine Neary
04/15/2012 20:29:04
You mention you are researching Sharp Street. Sharp Street was one of two side streets which ran off Sandheys Street. The other being Wilkin Street. They ran into Archer Street which ran from Walton Road, down past St Marys park and church and finished at Westminster Road, just by the baths. My family lived in Sandheys for a very long time and everybody knew each other. What was your father's name.
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Jimmy
05/27/2012 21:27:30
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Diane Givnan
04/09/2020 16:23:16
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Jonathan
04/27/2020 01:16:37
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Martin Dixon
10/11/2020 17:22:46
We left to go and live in Zante Tower in Netherfield Rd. Biggest mistake my parents ever made. I didn't stick around.
Can I ask. What was your surname
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WILL
04/05/2023 17:54:15
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Diane Givnan
04/09/2020 16:20:58
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Elaine Neary
04/21/2020 19:23:25
My mum was Rene and we loved bed with my Nan Mrs Milling
Wasn't Joyce Moor and her brothers Kevin and Brian next to you
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Diane givnan
04/21/2020 22:02:52
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Diane Givnan
04/21/2020 22:13:14
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Elaine Neary
04/23/2020 23:12:03
Great to hear from you. Are you in the site “I’m From Kirkdale “. A lot of people from our area are. Do you remember Pamela Arscott and her brother Richie. They are on. We have all been on tonight with memories. Michael Harrison whose mum had the shop with Dola and his dad had the dairy.
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Diane Givnan
04/25/2020 13:12:06
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Shaun Joynson
04/22/2020 10:05:07
Any relation to my grandmother Emma Cottier, who Iive in tintern street and later moved over to Medlock Street where my father was born.
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Martin Dixon
10/11/2020 17:30:43
Please , if you wish, get in touch.
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Susan Jones
07/24/2024 11:10:23
My great Grandma Sarah Agnes McIver lived in Corporation Street and then many years later lived in Newman Street with my Great Grandfather John Bucanhon and their daughter Lydia Jones.
Sarah Agnes mother and father William and Lydia McIver moved from Staffordshire where Lydia was born in 1838 and William was the son of an Irish Surgeon named John McIver. There are different spellings of McIver.
My Mum was called Mary Jones born in 1938 and her brother was Jack Jones born 1936. My Nana Lydia was in the mother’s union at St John’s.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Susie Jones
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Elaine Neary
04/15/2012 20:30:50
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Melinda Wilson
08/05/2023 07:34:05
Thank you, Mel
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Gillian Orritt
05/16/2012 19:39:44
This link gets you to a map that shows the position of Molyneux mill, Bootle Lane.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55125&sheetid=4742&ox=0&oy=0&zm=1&czm=10&x=284&y=80
The windmill that burnt down on Bootle Lane, 1834, was the mill that was owned by Jeremiah Shaw.
http://archive.org/stream/historyofcornmil04bennuoft#page/198/mode/2up
The Annals of 1843 Gores Directory says:
Shaws windmill at Bootle entirely destroyed by fire. This mill was one of the oldest in the neighbourhood of Liverpool. There having been one on site upwards of 200 yrs.
On the map above it shows New Mill which was the one that jeremiah Shaw built in place of the windmill that was destroyed by fire. His daughter and her husband ran New Mill on Bootle lane, after Jerry's death in 1840.
I do have a picture of New Mill but I am not sure how to get it on here.
Any problems with the links let me know.
regards Gillian
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Martin Greaney
05/17/2012 10:21:42
Thanks so much for those links - excellent sources which I will use more in future. It's also good to see something describing the continuity between two parts of a building's life (or rather, the reincarnation of a building destroyed).
If you'd like me to put your picture (fully credited of course!) under perhaps the Landmarks section of this page then you can email it to me at martin [at] historic-liverpool.co.uk.
Regards,
Martin
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Amy
07/11/2023 17:52:14
Smeaton Street remains today but has changed shape and the horseshoe bit that you can now see is where the mill was. I've been staring at an ariel view on Google Earth but can't really see any traces!https://earth.google.com/web/search/L4+3TQ/@53.44143289,-2.97803047,27.69165841a,220.86328449d,35y,-38.14322703h,60.00016249t,0.00000002r/data=CnEaRxJBCiUweDQ4N2IyM2UxZDQwMzMwNzU6MHg1NTI5MTAxMThjY2Y0NWM0GRhkgWVbuEpAIbG75Y8O1AfAKgZMNCAzVFEYASABIiYKJAmSldhb-bhKQBGK4CuepbdKQBlouUIv4swHwCHG_LcnnuMHwA
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Gillian Orritt
05/17/2012 14:56:32
I will try and email the picture to you later. Unfortunately the quality isn't as good as I
would liked as I had to use the camera on a phone to take it, because our camera was
broken, and I had promised to send a copy to someone, hence the phone camera. We
have not been able to replace our camera yet. The picture is also under glass in a frame.
Do you know where online I could find a copy of the Yates and Perry Map 1768 as I am
interested in having a look at the map to the area to the left of the map you put on
facebook for Gill.
Regards Gillian
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Jimmy
05/25/2012 20:27:49
Armours stable many good memories of that and all the other streets around there
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Martin Greaney
05/28/2012 10:06:00
Thanks for adding your memories of Kirkdale to this page. Lots of visitors to this site seem to have fond memories of the area.
Martin
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Jimmy
05/25/2012 21:51:42
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Tom hughes
02/16/2017 17:39:05
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Elizabeth doran maiden name whitcomb
08/18/2020 18:41:27
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08/01/2025 13:14:06
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Paula Collins
06/08/2012 21:49:35
My great-great grandfather Thomas Sanderson was a saddler who operated from his home at 41 Westminster Road up until 1920. I know it's a long shot, but would anyone have any photos of this property or nearby buildings,or does anyone else out there have any stories or links connected to him.
Thanks
Paula Collins
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Brian Gooden
06/19/2015 08:42:05
If not, please excuse the intrusion.
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Carol
07/05/2012 19:02:19
Mywas listening to my mum and Uncle reminiscing about the olden days and they were trying to remember the name of the old pub which was on the corner of Kirkdale Rd/Netherfield Rd around the war times.Can you help with this I have treid researching this and asking around but with no luck.
Thanks,
Carol Ball.
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Martin Greaney
07/23/2012 20:43:08
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply! Was it the Cumberland Arms or the Crown Vaults? I've found this great website on lost pubs in Liverpool, and these two are both in the area (around Netherfield Road). http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lancashire/liverpool.html Have a look on that page, as there are a few others which might fit the bill, and do post back if you have any luck!
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Martin
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David Trapnell
04/28/2015 07:49:52
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@53.427884,-2.975769,3a,75y,207.47h,97.59t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sx-bQiXiBE4oxluFKlBfXgA!2e0
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Anthony
10/14/2022 07:47:07
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Robert Ready
09/10/2012 12:44:07
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Martin Greaney
09/23/2012 16:50:12
There's been a Jewish community in Liverpool since the 1800s, and although one of the first places to see a large number of Jews was around Lime Street / Brownlow Hill, there were certainly other places where communities grew up. Kirkdale is an area of Liverpool which naturally gained a range of immigrant communities, as housing was affordable for those coming in on ships, and particularly in the early 1900s, when the greatest number of Jews arrived in the city.
Martin
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Brian Melrose
03/08/2021 23:34:25
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Martin Greaney
03/16/2021 21:55:28
Sounds like an interesting family history to research! I like the idea that they spoke with a fellow pasenger and heard the name. Perhaps they saw the street AND the pub and took it as a sign!
Good luck with your research,
Martin
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Alane Beyer
09/29/2012 15:38:20
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Martin Greaney
10/14/2012 12:09:57
You're right, the road is still there but all the houses currently on it are only around 30 years old. In 1901 the street was packed with terraced houses - the type with small back yards and a rear alleyway. These were demolished in the middle of the 20th century as part of the city's 'slum' clearance schemes, although to what extent these were slums is often a matter of debate.
Maps from the 1950s and 1960s show gaps in the rows of houses, with the modern street layout appearing in the 1980s.
Martin
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J Lewis
10/28/2014 20:34:41
See them on Google Streetview
My Greatgrandmother and family lived at no 100 in 1891, then Harcourt St around the corner in 1901 and 1911.
In 1913 my grandmother married a guy from Crealock St, also round the corner .
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Alane Beyer
10/29/2012 16:03:18
Thats sad to hear Great Grandpa's house is also gone, just like Great Great Grandpa Beyer who lived in Anfield in Ash Leigh, his Villa is also gone.
I guess with Great Grandpa being the last born out of 8 children, he was not well off living in Kirkdale, must have been a rude awakening for him coming from a home of priviledge.
We will be in Liverpool next year so hope to find some hidden treasures still remaining. Rumford place is still there right ? Thats where GG Grandpa had a business, along with his son I believe they occupied 11 and 12 Rumford place. Ernest Beyer was a cotton merchant, so hope to find some information on him, maybe his home still exists ?? !
Best Regards Alane
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Martin Greaney
10/29/2012 21:32:37
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Alane Beyer
10/31/2012 04:28:24
Good to hear Rumford place still exists !
Thanks for your help ... Regards Alane
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Jane Asbury
11/26/2012 04:24:05
Does anyone have any idea where it was...I would be most grateful for any information.
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Martin Greaney
12/25/2012 12:45:46
Sorry, it's taken me almost a month to reply - perhaps someone has already helped you! Romeo Street was one of a handful of streets named after Shakespeare characters which was situated near Bank Hall Station in north Liverpool. My Plan of Liverpool - North Sheet shows the location of Romeo Street as it looked in 1890. Hope this is of some help.
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Martin
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robert dooley
02/22/2018 10:58:17
hope this helps
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Paula Blackburn
02/18/2013 20:22:39
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Martin Greaney
02/20/2013 19:37:17
Can you tell me more about where the tobacco factory was? The flower streets first appear on the 1890 map, and so were part of the rapid expansion of the city at that time. I'll see what else I can dig out about them.
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Martin
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Alan Cornes
07/09/2013 15:36:00
Regards
Alan
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Alan Cornes
07/09/2013 15:39:29
http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/540862142/
Commercial Road not Vauxhall road
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Martin Greaney
08/06/2013 10:14:52
Thanks for the extra info, plus the link to the photo. Always good to add more detail to what's on this site, especially when it comes to finding out things for other commenters! Much appreciated.
Regards,
Martin
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Ann Marie Hall
03/19/2021 07:24:03
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Pat O'Reilly
09/11/2016 00:33:43
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Gill Harris
04/30/2022 01:07:01
My mum worked at Tillotson's in 50s/60s. Her name at the time was Dolly Howarth. Think her sister worked there too, Joan Dring.
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Laurie Hardman
03/30/2013 14:46:03
Any information regarding the history prior to it being redeveloped would be greatly appreciated.
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Martin Greaney
04/08/2013 11:36:07
I found this detail about the painter Joseph Campbell who lived in Brunswick Square on the Liverpool Museums blog: http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/online/pre-raphaelites/news.aspx. There's also a photo on the excellent Fotolore website showing the Brunswick Square area in 1976. I have a map on this website of Brunswick Square from way back in 1890, so there are definitely a few resources out there covering its history!
Regards,
Martin
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Laurie Hardman
04/18/2013 16:41:21
Brunswick Square was unadopted,and I'm pretty sure that it had seen much better days.We moved when I was a small boy in 1955,and I can remember my grandmother saying that pre-war it had been gated. Maybe the gates and railings were taken down to make Spitfires!
Best Laurie
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pete
04/09/2013 12:00:59
I wonder if you can help. I saw a BBC program about historic buildings and it featured a large derelict tudor style building in Kirkdale.
I have lived in North Liverpool all my life and had never heard of these - are they actually in Kirkdale?
Thanks.
Pete
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Martin Greaney
04/14/2013 20:38:01
I don't recall any buildings like that in Kirkdale, though of course the programme may have had the exact location wrong. There's Everton library which is... sort of Tudor, and not a million miles from Kirkdale. It's also next to a mock Tudor pub. I'll see if anyone on the Facebook page knows of other buildings in this style around Kirkdale, or who saw the programme.
Martin
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Kevin
04/14/2013 21:32:02
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Martin Greaney
04/18/2013 09:43:46
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Barry Ward
04/19/2013 11:41:28
My father was born in 1924 at 39 Pluto Street. I know this street no longer exists, and I presume it was demolished during or after the War. I was wondering if any photos exist of Pluto Street, or if you can give me any information about the houses, number of rooms ., when they were contsructed etc ?
Thanks, Barry.
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stephen vaughan
08/24/2014 22:11:47
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Jim Nolan
09/14/2015 12:02:43
Just come across this site and if you are still interested.
My family the Nolan's lived in 25.
Regards,
Jim
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Kate Nolan
05/12/2020 20:01:32
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Jane
06/14/2020 11:41:45
Was your Grandad born in 1927 and his mother's name "Gornall"?
If it was let me know and a do a little digging for you
Kind regards Jane
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Jane
06/14/2020 12:11:06
I just came by your tree on Ancestry - however I have just found your Grandad's marriage.
I believe his name was Peter Nolan & he married Florence Gornall in
All Soul's RC Church 12 May 1907, both spouses lived at 30 Abram Street.
Peter's father was John Nolan
Florence's father was John Gornall
Florence had a brother named George who also resided at 30 Abram St.
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Kate
06/14/2020 12:14:40
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Kate Nolan
06/14/2020 15:32:40
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Jane
06/16/2020 03:03:36
Great to hear from you I sent you a message via Ancestry I have set up A Nolan tree - so if you respond I can invite you, rather than put everything on here. If you don't have a current membership it doesn't matter as I you can access mine and view everything.
This way you can show your Dad, sadly I think I've found Francis's death record - he died in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 8 July 2001 & it looks like he possibly married. I have made contact with this individual on your behalf but haven't revealed any specific details until we know that they are related.
I'm not sure if you know but I live on the Sunshine Coast, British Columbia, Canada and I'm 8 hours behind you time wise.
I look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards Jane
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Jane
06/16/2020 11:43:08
I am off to bed - but sooooooooooooo excited to tell you I've found a photo of Peter Nolan B. 1883
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ALISON NOLAN
03/14/2024 15:31:38
My family are from the Kirkdale area, we lived in Fountains Road and we moved to Widnes in 1972
John Nolan is my father sadly deceased and I am wondering if there is a connection to you. His father was John Nolan and my father had 2 brothers - Frank and Ken
Kind Regards
Alison
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Kate Nolan
03/14/2024 22:53:33
Please get in touch.
kmnolan08@gmail.com
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Chris Jackson
06/29/2021 14:39:35
Do you know much of the Pettigrew family history? I have a particular interest in Robert M Pettigrew. He also lived at No 22 Pluto Street and is registered there in 1939. I know that he lived there beyond that, as my Mother remembers him there while she was growing up after being born in 1946. My Mum lived at No 3 Pluto Street.
He lived alongside William, Roy C, Robert, Mary and Gladys Pettigrew.
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Mary Dickerson
05/16/2013 17:57:52
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Barbara Hughes(nee moore)
07/08/2013 13:50:12
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hi barbara my name is john i was born in latham st i lived in the houses that had an attic i could also see the bat clock.
02/14/2014 21:01:02
Reply to hi barbara my name is john i was born in latham st i lived in the houses that had an attic i could also see the bat clock.
Rae Lee
07/18/2013 11:48:17
On behalf of my wife I wonder whether you or anyone else can help me? My wife lived in Newby street when she was younger and she attended a Doctor's by Westminster road/Foley Street. I wonder if anyone remembers it, as she'd like to get hold of some of her old records (Or does anyone know how we'd go about getting hold of these in another way)?
Thanks!
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Martin Greaney
08/06/2013 10:17:29
I'm not much of an expert on medical records, but there's a discussion here on the Family History website about possibilities of getting old records. It might help you begin your research.
Regards,
Martin
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Lynn lucas
09/23/2014 13:21:16
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David Cardle
12/23/2020 14:28:19
I was born in 1950 and lived in a flat above the doctors surgery in Westminster Road. My mother, Betty Cardle was the doctors receptionist through the 50 and early 60's. The two doctors were Dr Pottinger and Dr Godfrey. My maternal grandparents lived in Leven Street and my dads mother lived in Nith Street.
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Tom O'Brien
02/06/2021 14:43:54
I don't know of your parents , but in your note you mention your dads mother lived in Nith Steet . I was born in 1 Nith Street in 1953 , the house was occupied by my grand parents Albert and Sara Brown perhaps they knew your dads mother
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David Cardle
02/17/2021 16:45:25
I am sure they did Tom. My nan, Agnes Cardle lived at No 8. My dad Joe and brother Peter were both born there. Their father (my grandfather) Jo Cardle died in 1939 and my nan married again several years later to Bill Bryson (from Scotland) and became Agnes Bryson. During the school holidays when my mum worked at the surgery she used to drop me off in the morning at my nans . Very fond memories.
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Thomas O'Brien
10/18/2021 11:13:59
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Alison
07/10/2021 08:22:57
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Alison
07/21/2021 12:57:34
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James L. Secor
08/21/2013 09:09:05
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Pam
09/07/2013 14:14:45
I am very interested in the houses on Westminster Road, I do actually live in one that was built in 1825 apparently they where the first to be built are you able to give me any information, or how I could find out?
Thanks
Pam
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Martin Greaney
10/08/2013 18:43:25
The website Old Maps is a great place to start - you can search for Westminster Road, Liverpool in the box on the home page, and explore different eras of maps using the toolbar on the right hand side. If you let me know which specific houses you're looking into, I might be able to have a look at some of my own library and see if there's anything else helpful for you.
Martin
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Pat Kirby ,or Wynne was my maiden name
09/08/2013 23:07:32
i grew up just across the road from it ,North Dingle
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Reg Towner
06/19/2014 18:02:43
https://www.flickr.com/photos/townerassociates/14404269096/in/photostream
comments very welcome
RT
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Martin Greaney
06/25/2014 20:16:31
Best Wishes,
Martin
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Reg Towner
07/02/2014 07:48:33
best
RT
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Martin Carr
06/30/2015 13:12:32
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John Harding
09/20/2015 10:37:44
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Liz sugden
08/16/2016 21:47:46
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Pat Kielty
01/30/2021 13:49:52
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Andy Craig
01/05/2017 14:38:21
Just came across this site and noticed you mentioned the Mussell's.
My mum Elizabeth (known as Betty) was a Mussell. She grew up at 7 Agnes Road with her sister Marie (passed away last year) and brother Tony (now in USA). Their Dad (my Pop)George Mussell worked at American Tobacco and their Mum (my Nanna)was Alice (nee Ralston?).
Tony married Vera ? and Marie married Tommy Jones and they both brought up their families in Agnes Road. My mum moved out to Huyton/Roby.
I have a photo of my Mum as a bridesmaid aged 3, holding hands with the pageboy. The pageboy was Brian Craig who eventually became her husband... and my Dad!
My Dad played football for the Melrose with Tony Mussell and Tommy Jones, and (I think) his youngest brothers Steven and Robert Craig.
Best wishes
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Jane
02/10/2017 09:11:14
My name is Jane & I now live in BC Canada, I can tell you that with certainty that we are related, Elizabeth Mussell's grandmother was Mary Holden b. 1875 & died in 1918.
Mary Holden is my Gt. gt. aunt.
Mary married James Mussell in 1894 they had at least 7 children - one of these was George Henry b.1908 who married Alice Woods
They are Elizabeth's parents & Elizabeth then went on to marry Brian Craig.
I have been researching the family tree for many years and would love to share info with you!
Martin can pass on my email to you, if you'd like to contact me.
Kind regards
Jane
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Jsaunderson
03/12/2017 23:38:01
I'm interested in the work you have done on the Mussell family tree as my wife's maiden name is Mussell. Her name is Lily and her father was Thomas who was the son of John Andrew Mussell (brother of George) and Lily Nichol. James Mussell, Mary Holden's husband was, I believe, the son of George Mussell and Edith Eliza Brownsea. Regards, Joe
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Jane
04/30/2017 03:54:27
Thank you for putting me in touch with Joe - I have responded to him directly & yes we are related (distant cousins) so hopefully I can fill in any gaps or give them a family tree which is actually as big as a forest!!
Martin you're a true Star *** thank you
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Anthony Mussell
11/08/2020 14:14:01
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Anthony Mussell
11/08/2020 14:16:50
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James
10/30/2021 02:50:51
Henry George Harding is on ancestry as https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/115806659/person/172043888440/facts
Very interested to know if our trees overlap!
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Carole Seabuhr (almond)
02/11/2016 15:19:51
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Billy Halliday
02/22/2016 00:12:23
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ken knight
01/19/2017 16:21:26
I lived at 113 north dingle, I remember you and your brother Richard such happy carefree times.
your dad was the manager in irwins all sadly gone.
No more space Carol best wishes
ken knight
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Carole Seabuhr (Almond)
04/23/2017 16:03:18
I remember you and Graham and your mum, and Joe Dodds horses. We used to catch a ride when they came back from the docks. Long time ago now. The CrowCaroles lived next door and the smiths next door to you. We had the tannery opposite. My best friend at school was Jean Cannon she lived in Becket st.
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Bill Foster
03/15/2022 21:00:19
By the 1950s it was the British Rope works..
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Bill Foster
03/15/2022 21:04:06
Her brother, Samuel, was an ostler, I think for Dodd's at the top of Bankhall Street.
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Bill Foster
03/15/2022 21:06:05
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 11:19:37
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Maijella Walsh
09/19/2013 18:50:00
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Martin Greaney
10/08/2013 21:39:17
Pluto Street was between Vesuvius Street and Smith Street (which both still exist). There was another road, Hewley Street, between Vesuvius and Smith Streets, so I think Pluto Street would be roughly where this north-south row of houses is now.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Martin
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Claire Dixon
10/03/2013 15:17:20
Does anyone know of a confectioners shop in Kirkdale possibly Westminster road around 1901ish run by Catherine Merrick? I am trying to find out if it existed and where?
Or if there was a confection shop in that area where she may have worked?
Thank you
Claire
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Pat Kirby(was wynne)
10/19/2013 18:37:45
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Ray
07/02/2014 15:53:29
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Ann
02/12/2020 22:22:00
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Dawn Turner
04/05/2020 16:59:26
They had a shop at 357 Stanley Road Bootle. Also Corner House. St Johns Road. Waterloo.
The letter was written November 1952.
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 11:23:06
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Ann Dinsdale
06/15/2020 17:00:01
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 17:33:15
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Lynn lucas
09/23/2014 13:17:28
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Mary
05/09/2024 00:01:42
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Sylvia Powe
07/23/2025 21:07:51
I'm not sure if I have already replied to your message some time ago but my great grandmother, Amelia Parker had a confectionery shop in Westminster Road/ Fountains Road around the same period, According to Census info it was her own account, meaning that she started her little business off herself which would have been run from her own address I think.
Is this of any help to you?
Regards
Sylvia Powe
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clare
10/13/2013 01:45:14
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Martin Greaney
10/13/2013 14:51:12
Thanks for your query: Delamore Street is quite easy to find the date for, because on the 1890 map of Kirkdale nearby roads like Roxburgh Street and Carisbrooke Road, as well as parts of Delamore itself, are laid out but not yet fully built on. So I'd say the whole area was being built up around the end of the 19th century. The Liverpool Record Office may be able to help you narrow down the date more if you'd like, but 1885-1890 seems very likely. Before they were built, the land was covered in the Walton Nurseries (a business growing young plants and trees), which lay just outside the village of Walton-on-the-hill.
The kind of people who were moving into these houses when they were new would have been the lower end of the middle class - the clerks and office workers who caught the tram into town every day and worked in the offices around the Pier Head, Castle Street and Dale Street. Other residents might have been small business owners such as grocers or bakers. The numbers of these people would have been increasing rapidly as Liverpool became increasingly business-oriented and wealthy in the 19th century, and as the population grew. Walton and Anfield were two other area where these people might have lived.
The range of people who might be haunting you is potentially quite a wide one!
Regards,
Martin
PS: There's more about the changing population types of north Liverpool in my book Liverpool: a landscape history.
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Anthony Hillier
09/27/2021 22:59:01
My parents the Hilliers lived at 39 Goodall Street, next to the Pub that was then, its a Shop now i think, but we had some friends at 13 Delamore Street, Joan and Fred Hall. Fred passed on and i think Joan went into a care home. regards Anthony Hillier
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brenda lloyd
10/13/2013 22:34:51
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Helen
02/06/2016 14:43:47
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brenda lloyd
10/15/2013 15:27:13
A few doors away my grandmother had a shop that sold drinks hot chocolate sasparella etc. I think young people met up there. Does anyone remember this.
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Pat Kirby(was wynne)
10/19/2013 18:33:05
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Elizabeth Rogers-Ross
01/10/2014 22:05:40
I remember seeing a placard in the broken plate glass window. It said theat he was a naturalized British subject and he had two sons fighting in the British army. Shortly after this attack on his business Mr. Fusco's family changed their name to Aindow which, I understand, was his wife's maiden name.
It was a great day for local children when he was able to make his delicious ice cream again after the Victory in Europe. My older sister and I stood in long queue of children clutching basins and fruit dishes for our "victory" ice cream. It was heavenly!
Can anyone tell me when and why 45 Chirkdale Street and the houses on each side were pulled down sometime in the 1980s? I would be most grateful.
With kind regards from Elizabeth.
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Martin Greaney
02/03/2014 16:35:31
Thanks for your info on the ice cream parlour. There was a lot of trouble before both World Wars for German, Italian and other 'enemy'-owned shops. Such a shame.
The houses on Chirkdale Street were probably knocked down in advance of a housing development that got no further (money was rather an issue in the 80s on Merseyside!), or perhaps they were deemed uninhabitable, though that's always a contested issue.
Martin
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Tony white
08/02/2015 21:09:01
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Gillian Stevenson
07/09/2016 08:48:25
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Anita
07/28/2023 11:54:26
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Pat Allerton
08/29/2015 19:48:52
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Eunice Jones
10/29/2013 18:00:25
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john burke
11/03/2013 10:56:41
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G Whitcombe
02/14/2014 00:18:18
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shaz
11/11/2013 14:03:43
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Al Lemna
03/31/2014 03:01:13
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Mark
11/16/2013 11:26:05
does anyone have any photographs of brunswick square in the 50s, 60s, 70s? My dad grew up there. He used to tie wire to the doors and climb the trees in the square and pull the wire to knock on the doors ha. I managed to find a couple of photographs of brunswick square and his ford taunus was on one of the photographs outside his house. He got very excited when he saw a fence he had built as a kid for a neighbour too! If anybody could forward me any photographs that would be great. Thanks.
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Martin Greaney
11/21/2013 18:48:07
There's a discussion on the Yo Liverpool forum with a couple of photos, and a map, of Brunswick Square in the 1970s. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Martin
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john lloyd
11/14/2014 16:36:47
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John Dowdall
11/22/2013 10:14:59
toilet and one cold water tap in the kitchen,I remember it being very cold in the
winter,we slept 4/5 in in bed with coats over us to keep warm, the house was very
damp and full of cockroaches,I remember we were very poor but we never went
hungry thanks to mam (mother).
On the corner of our street was a shop called Maggie Kelly's run by two old ladies
And we use to get food on tick (credit),in the middle of our street was a sweet shop
called Koogies,
On Saturdays we went to the pictures either the prinnie (Princess) which was 9p to
get in or the Commadore on Stanley road which cost a shilling,the prinnie nearly
always won.
Anyone got any old photos
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Martin Greaney
11/27/2013 17:54:12
There's quite a few pictures (inside and outside) of Braemar Street, 1952 - exactly the time you were living there! - on the Liverpool & South West Lancs Genealogy forum. It looks, like you say yourself, a poor neighbourhood, but sounds like you had a similar childhood to many others, complete with sweetshops and the pictures. Great to hear your memories of the time. Mam's are superstars!
Regards,
Martin
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Bernie M Evans
11/01/2016 00:01:47
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THOMAS LYNN
02/17/2017 13:09:21
yours Tommy Lynn
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joe rourke
03/30/2019 15:36:54
i remember you very well i went to school with you . st pius i lived in othello st my name is joe rourke i was born in marsh st opposite rifkins all the best . phone me 0151 727 1756
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joe rourke
07/15/2022 16:48:52
very long time no see its just to remind you that we all left st alexanders 60. years ago next tuesday but actually the day we left was on a thursday.
how are you keeping ok i hope im not to bad aches and pains but still you have to plod on.
all the best. joe rourke
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joe rourke
11/01/2024 09:02:27
ive found john page but its bad news he died in australia about 15. years ago.
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terry turner
02/18/2014 17:05:00
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John Dowdall
09/01/2016 21:21:15
Great to read your comments and memories, if you have any photos or more info you can email me at.
jeanjohn29@hotmail.co.uk
Regards
John
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Jeff illingworth
02/19/2014 10:59:22
Does anyone recall a Thomas Illingworth From Tawd Street/ Barlow lane, Kirkdale,
He used to be a cow keeper and used to deliver milk in the area.
This would have been i think 1920s/30s
would love to know anything as he was my Grandfather
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Jane
02/04/2017 09:52:07
This is a long shot - I have just returned to this site after a long absence.
I think I have found your Gt. Grandfather - Thomas Illingworth b. 5 July 1890
Married to Edith b. 1 January 1892
children Edith A. b. 26 August 1916, later marries ? Meades 27 September 1963
James 10 November 1917
They are living in 1939 at 76 Candia Street and still carrying on as Dairymen.
Hope this is a help
Kind regards
Jane
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David Peate
05/03/2020 08:35:26
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 11:35:51
Thanks for evoking the happy memories.
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Margaret
02/25/2014 13:03:11
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Jen
02/26/2014 17:51:11
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Cathy Harris
03/06/2014 17:46:49
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Hilary Rees
03/11/2014 13:49:54
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mark philpott
04/26/2014 22:58:47
Recently I took my partner to see tthe house I ws born in, and its completely different now.
Long shot but does anyone have any pictures of newby street in the 60's or any information about the road?
Thanks,
Mark
Also, my dad and grandad are and were called R.A Philpott... could they b related to the Philpott RA 1988 ‘Historic Towns of the Merseyside Area: a survey of urban settlement to c1800′ Liverpool Museum Occasional Paper, No 3, 60 pp.
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Martin Greaney
04/28/2014 08:33:14
Thanks for your comment. RA. Philpott is Dr. Rob Philpott, the Head of Field Archaeology at Liverpool Museum, and still works there down at the Albert Dock! There may be a family connection, but I don't know of Dr. Philpott's place of birth! :) I used a couple of his books as sources for this site as well as my own book, Liverpool: a landscape history.
Regards,
Martin
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Rob Philpott
11/17/2014 01:39:26
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David Towers
09/29/2016 21:48:10
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Joanne
03/13/2022 23:38:05
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Linda
04/27/2014 17:07:07
Linda
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Phil D
11/27/2014 17:57:11
I have included a few pictures of Barry Street in a web site which have recently completed, all about Teulon Street
www.teulonstreet.com
Phil D
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John
11/27/2014 21:39:10
April 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Linda my fathers parents (Jones) lived at 39 Barry Street as did aunt /uncle (Masterson) at 59. We have also been trying to track down photos of Barry Street. Is the coronation photo in the public domain would appreciate any information.
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Patrick Flanagan
07/17/2014 00:15:48
Can you tell me how I find which parish included Rosalind St in 1899/1900
Thank you
Patrick
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Martin Greaney
07/17/2014 10:23:29
Rosalind Street was in Kirkdale parish from 1844 onwards, with St. Mary's as the parish church. Hope this is the information you're after.
Regards,
Martin
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Jane
03/29/2016 21:04:01
You might have already found your baptism record for Albert?
but just in case I have found one:parents John - mother Margaret Greenup?
Albert Ernest b. 1899 baptism record for St. James - this Church has not been transcribed by Ancestry - but you could try William Brown Street Library - call ahead first - just to check that they hold the records.
This couple had a least another son called Gilbert who was b. 1900 baptized in the same church.
Kind regards
Jane
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Bill Foster
07/20/2014 10:40:02
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Martin Greaney
07/21/2014 12:20:22
Thanks for your comments - so glad you like the site! If I find a photo like the one your looking for, then I'll let you know.
Regards,
Martin
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Bill Fawcett
12/12/2016 22:03:36
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Bill Fostet
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Patricia McGuire
07/24/2014 06:55:33
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Martin Greaney
07/25/2014 11:16:05
Trent Street has indeed disappeared, and was one of the very small streets in Victorian Kirkdale. It was in the parish of Liverpool St. Martin in the Fields (if I've lined up my maps properly - it's near the border with Kirkdale St. Marys!), but St Aiden was certainly one of the local churches, possibly just inside St. Mary's parish. Glad you're enjoying the site.
Regards,
Martin
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Ste Allen
07/31/2014 00:39:31
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Martin Greaney
07/31/2014 10:21:14
There are a couple of cottages on the north side of Back Westminster Road, numbered 4 and 6. These are the ones I've referred to in my earlier comments.
The building on the corner of Rumney Road isn't marked as anything special on the maps, and I think it would just have been a very large house. The inhabitants of this area, when the house was built, were very wealthy, and this part of Kirkdale was much sought after. If you look at the map of 1894 (below) then it makes more sense when seen amongst other houses. It's larger than the neighbours, but developers often added bigger houses on the end of rows in order to make a little more money. It would probably be occupied by someone slightly higher up the clerical scale, or the owner of a more successful fleet of ships.
Rumney Road, 1894, Scale 1:2500
(Click for a larger version)
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Martin
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David Chaffin-Power
10/10/2016 17:25:43
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Fay James
08/15/2014 23:27:36
I am trying to find out any information about Commercial Road in the late 1800s. My great grandfather Walter Jenkins (son of William and Margaret) was born in 1877 and records show he was from 260 Commercial Road. I would be very interested to hear any information you have of Commercial Road and the area etc from that time. I have tried looking it up but it has obviously changed very much since then!
Many thanks.
Fay
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Jodi Baines
08/21/2014 01:02:12
In our cellar is the original Cast Iron Aga, and copper washing point.
I have researched the census for earlier family etc. and found that one of the previous tenant's sadly passed away in the First World War. He was in his early twenties.
Also our house seems to have luckily had long term occupiers, we didn't even have house deeds for the house because the previous owners had lived there for that long, I can only trace the history back to two previous families, from the year it was built 1879.
Any more info or photo's would be much appreciated.
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Ann D
08/21/2014 20:01:45
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Pauline
04/19/2015 16:59:48
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Martin Greaney
04/20/2015 09:41:53
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Brian Nolan
05/03/2015 01:42:18
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Vinny Marsden
10/04/2017 18:16:29
I lived in St. Hilda Street and my name is Vincent (Vinny) Marsden. I found this site and have enjoyed reading
all about the old neighbourhood.
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Colin Dixon
06/12/2020 23:55:01
Just to say, I remember you too.
This was the late 1970s early 1980s..
I was aged from 9-11 at the time...
We lived at the top of Freeland Street above Duffys the Juelers next to Clitheroes..
My doctor was Dr Hilman
If I remember correctly, you had light straight hair and always smiled at me when my parents took me there.
My mother Irene was a regular patient and you talked with her a lot as far as I can remember..
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Claire Dixon
09/08/2014 13:30:02
The Sweet Shop that you mention on your post do you have any more information about it. My great grandmother Catherine Merrick owned a confectioners shop on Westminster Road. Do you know the name of the shop you mentioned or the number on the road?
I believe the shop was number 70 Westminster Road.
I would appreciate an information.
Thank you
Claire.
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Lynn lucas
09/23/2014 13:11:37
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ray hind
09/15/2015 22:17:45
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lynn lucas
10/14/2015 17:34:33
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Lynn lucas
09/23/2014 13:18:37
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Martin Carr
06/30/2015 13:37:23
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David Towers
09/30/2016 15:42:31
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Ann
04/04/2022 03:34:48
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Maureen
04/04/2016 21:20:29
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 12:05:19
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Elizabeth doran
09/01/2020 22:46:45
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Claire Dixon
10/07/2014 15:05:47
No the shop was definatly on Westminster Road number 70, I have seen the address on the 1911 Census, but thank you for your post back.
I wonder if anyone has any old pictures of Westminster Road from around 1910 - 1939, any at all just so I could see what it was like as Westminster Road now has new houses there.
I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
Claire.
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LYNN LUCAS
04/05/2016 11:44:39
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Paula Thompson
10/15/2014 13:43:28
I am looking for a pub my Grandparents had on commercial road,
I was told it was on the dock road and it changed its name to the commercial arms?
My mother says they had a soup kitchen which served to people queuing up many children in bare feet.
My grandparents surname was Coburn.
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David Chaffin-Power (Power as was)
10/24/2014 22:40:04
Thanks also to you Martin and your correspondents for all the memories of old Kirkdale, too many to mention but what pictures they conjure up.
I could go on but I want to get back to reading them again - power (forgive the pun) to your elbow.
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David Chaffin-Power (Power as was)
10/26/2014 12:20:51
I think the house on the corner of Rumney Rd was a doctor's surgery - certainly in the 1940's & 50's when I grew up in Hogarth Rd. I believe it was owned by a Dr Godfrey and had it's own dispensing facilities. Another doctor was named Pottinger anyone remember them??
Again, great work Martin......
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LYNN LUCAS
09/01/2016 12:14:11
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Lorraine Wickstead
09/26/2016 21:49:14
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lynn lucas
11/29/2016 15:34:16
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Mrs Patricia Allerton
06/15/2020 19:46:17
They were friends with my Aunty and Uncle .
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Cathy Daly
01/21/2018 01:12:07
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Maureen La Castra
06/15/2020 11:49:54
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Jane Reid
03/10/2021 22:33:18
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Joan Crawford
10/28/2014 21:51:19
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Ken Crawford
11/01/2014 20:56:52
I read your message with interest, wondering whether we are related. I too am a Crawford who lived in Kirkdale. My father, Francis Crawford. lived at 19 Rickman Street before he was married in1934, although I think he had at some point lived in Howley Street, which seems no longer to exist (I delivered papers there in the late 40s! - 8 & 18 - ?).
I lived in Stanley Rd from birth (1936) until 1950. My mother owned a newsagents/tobacconists, first at No 188, until this was damaged in the May blitz of 1941, and then at No 164, about 4 doors from Lambeth Road. The blitz did a lot of damage to this area with the numerous bombed sites in Harcourt St, Crealock St and Lambeth Rd acting as football and cricket pitches for us kids. Even the building next door to us (166) was totally derelict through bomb damage.
On the corner of Stanley Rd and Lambeth Rd was a bakery (Arthur's). As a 5/6 year-old I often went into the basement where the bread was baked (what would Health & Safety make of this?). A very pleasant young lady called Sally worked there. The other shop I frequented was a paint/wallpaper shop half way between Lambeth Rd and Easby Rd run by a Mr Burrows. Opposite 164 was greengrocers - can't remember the name, but the manageress was Cissie. Next door to this was a gents outfitters owned by a man called Len Heaton. A few doors away was another newsagents/tobacconists called McCabe's, with Sally's chip shop next door to that.
Next to Lambeth Rd was Reading Street, a notoriously tough street, running from Stanley Rd to Commercial Rd. My mother used to say policemen went down it only in pairs - I was forbidden to go down it at all.
I remember well Fuscoe's and Aindow's, the two ice-cream shops mentioned by another contributor. Getting ice-cream for the fist time after the War was very exciting.
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Martin Greaney
11/05/2014 21:43:10
I know you were addressing this comment to Joan but just wanted to say thanks for sharing all these memories! If this site is to become a great resource for those researching their own and their family's pasts, these recollections are just what we need!
Martin
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Joan Crawford
11/09/2014 16:49:54
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John lloyd
11/01/2014 08:41:52
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Joe Neary
11/19/2014 12:26:50
I lived in Reading Street till it demolished,moving to Kirkby.I have a large collection of Kirkdale photos and the surrounding area on my flickr site here.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/
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Martin Greaney
11/20/2014 11:17:46
Those photos are amazing! So much beauty and colour in everything from graveyards and the Pier Head to construction sites and docks. Thanks for sharing them!
Regards,
Martin
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Ann Hirsch
03/10/2022 23:20:42
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Bob Foster
04/13/2015 17:43:54
James was killed in a tram accident around 1900 and Joseph was taken back to grow up in rural west Ireland whilst his mum stayed in Liverpool and he lost contact with her. Is it likely that he would have been buried in Anfield Cemetery?
Regards
Bob
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Martin Greaney
04/14/2015 11:23:00
Your question has led me to some really interesting research! Howley Street has been renamed to Newman Street, but all the streets around it have kept their names. You can see it with its original name on the Plan of Liverpool (North Sheet) of 1890.
As for reason for the name change, I'm not sure. However, all the roads in that area are named after bishops, and at least some of them founded Oxford colleges. That fits in with the theme of naming roads in Bootle and Kirkdale after the colleges themselves (Merton, Exeter, Keble). It looks from his Wikipedia article that Hooley was a little controversial, being an Anglican archbishop with Catholic (though not Roman) leanings. Perhaps there is something in that, especially knowing north Liverpool's history of the two religions. I might follow this research up and post it on the Liverpool Landscapes blog.
It is by all means possible that James was buried in Anfield Cemetery, which had already been open for 40 years.
I hope this is of help to you, and best of luck on your visit to Liverpool!
Regards,
Martin
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Jane
04/30/2017 04:43:10
I'm not sure whether you've found out anything more about your ancestor (Patrick) James Killeen but he was buried in Ford Cemetery on the 15 July 1900 and is in a public grave.
There was a Coroner's Report which you might find at William Brown street Library.
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John Viggars
04/14/2015 13:38:37
Grid C5 on this map.
http://historic-liverpool.co.uk/old-maps-of-liverpool/plan-of-liverpool-north-sheet-1890
Mary Jane Nuttall (b 1875 St Helens?) married Patrick James Killeen (or Killon) Qtr 3 1898 at St John Kirkdale. Michael Joseph Killeen born Q4 1898 baptised St Johns seems to be registered as Joseph Michael Q1 1900. There is a James Killeen buried at Ford Cemetery Died July 1900 age 35 Plot 2889.
Mary Jane (Killeen) married Alfred W Gidman 25/12/1902 at St Saviour Everton. There seem to be possibly 3 or 4 children from the marriage?
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Martin Greaney
04/14/2015 15:58:08
Regarding the houses, looking on Street View the houses on Howley Street look the same age as the ones in the surrounding roads, so I'd guess the road was renamed. Someone on Twitter has seen that the road changes its name to Newman on the other side of Fountains Road on the 1928 map, and must have had the full length change its name sometime between then and now.
Martin
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John Viggars
04/14/2015 14:24:38
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Jane
04/05/2016 07:29:13
I am new to this site - so please forgive this late reply.
I have found some things out which you may or may not have.
I have the marriage cert. of Alfred Gidman & widow Mary Jane Nuttall aka Killeen, as you mentioned in the 1911 they had 4 children, sadly Edward died, but there was Alfred, Ernest & Doris - however I have the 1939 pre war census & there is Elizabeth born 4 July 1917 she later marries someone with the surname of HOWARD on the 31 August 1948.
Alfred Gidman is now a widower living at the same address with another family member but who was still alive in 1991 when the records were last checked, so their details are redacted due to the privacy laws.
Alfred was born on the 1 January 1875 & his occupation in 1939 was a "jobber in the building trade"
More importantly I have found a photograph of Alfred (Edward) Gidman aged 17 b. 1903 which I would willingly forward to you - I have also just found his baptism record.
In 1912 George Gidman is born followed by Martha in 1915.
Hopefully you still check in to this great site & look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Jane
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diogenes
09/02/2016 10:37:40
Alfred Gidman b1875 had the same grandfather as myself (Edward Gidman b1809), so we are distantly related.
best wishes
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Jane
10/18/2016 19:01:22
Sorry for the late response - at 2 major home disasters which kept me well & truly busy!!
Within the next few days I will go back over my notes & pull up what ever I can find.
If there is anything or anyone else you would like me to search for - please don't hesitate to ask & I will try my best for you.
Hope to hear from you
Kind regards
Jane
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diogenes
09/02/2016 10:34:07
all the best to you
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Heather Butler
04/25/2015 15:43:22
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ray hind
09/15/2015 22:07:21
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David Peate
12/13/2015 16:59:59
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Phil Lewis
01/12/2016 02:21:43
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Martin Greaney
01/12/2016 11:54:20
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Phil Lewis
01/14/2016 23:11:44
Thanks for your reply. I agree entirely that tougher times created stronger more colourful characters.My grandmother was an incredible person, a walking history book no less. She was born in 1877 and lived to be 100 years old.Her husband, my grandfather, was gassed and died in the First World War, leaving her to bring up nine children alone,and that was in the days before social security! Her amazing stories were always told in a matter of fact manner. I would sit enthralled when she recalled emigrating to America as a little girl with her Irish mother and Danish seafarer father where she actually saw Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Her father couldn't settle there and so they returned to Liverpool. She lived most of her life at 1a Lambeth Rd opposite Tillotsons factory. Everybody in the neighbourhood knew her as Ma Lewis. A truly remarkable woman.
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Martin Greaney
01/15/2016 09:59:37
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Terry turner
02/13/2016 16:42:58
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Phil Lewis
07/21/2017 01:56:27
Forgive me for not replying sooner, but I haven't been on this marvelous site for a while and have only just seen your reply. Thanks so much for your memories, you were right in every detail! Our Tom will be thrilled I'm sure when I tell him.He relishes old stories especially Kirkdale related ones! Sadly he had a stroke several years ago and is now in a nursing home off Walton Vale.His memory is perfect and he understands everything said to him, but unfortunately his speech is badly impaired. I visit him most days to take him for a pint as he is wheelchair bound and I will definitely pass on your good wishes. You could even visit him yourself if you so wished, just let me know and I'll arrange it.
Best wishes, Phil.
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Terry turner
07/31/2017 17:03:40
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Cathy Daly
01/21/2018 01:20:24
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Richard Kearns
03/13/2021 19:07:25
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Ann Dinsdale
03/14/2021 15:24:21
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Tony Rafferty
02/03/2016 13:17:05
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Martin Greaney
02/04/2016 09:43:32
Glad you like the site! I too remember massive footy games in the park, but I don't think we hit 20 a side! Great to hear about your memories.
Martin
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LYNN LUCAS
09/01/2016 12:18:16
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LYNN LUCAS
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May Gore nee Moran
02/11/2016 10:43:38
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Martin
02/17/2016 10:37:48
Thanks for sharing your memories here too. I hope it's helped you reconnect with a few old faces. It's amazing what the city went through socially in the war.
Martin
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Bill Graham
02/13/2016 18:00:37
I have lost trace of my relatives I had an uncle Ernie Mac who was my grandmothers brother
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Jane
03/22/2016 05:55:13
I just came across this website today, & I have left a message to anyone who would like assistance in researching their roots.
I have just found John & Amelia Graham living at no: 52 Rockley Street, John worked as Dock Gate Man for MD&HB, b.21 May 1892 & Amelia b.16 April 1898.
There are at least 3 other people living in this household - but due to the 100 yr privacy act their details have been redacted.
Are these people your grandparents?
I'm unsure as to how I can send you the actual image (possibly the web host can advise)
Kind regards
Jane
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Martin
03/22/2016 09:44:28
Thanks so much for helping some of my website's visitors to find their ancestors! I've told Bill that I can pass on his email address to you if he gives me permission. Also, I can pass on your email address to him if you'd like. I'll email it to him rather than publish it on this site.
Martin
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Jane
03/22/2016 21:13:52
What a great site - please feel free to give my email to Bill - hopefully I can help him trace his roots.
And the offer goes for anyone one else - just bear in mind the 100 year privacy act regarding census records, as for Merchant Navy records they stop at 1915.
I'm not calling myself a professional researcher as I do not charge for what I do - I just like passing it on
Look forward to hearing from Bill
Kindest regards
Jane
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diogenes
09/02/2016 10:46:21
My 3x greatgrandfather was Peter Guy b1779 in Prescot, parents John & Anne. He ended up in Liverpool and died 1853. I have been unable to find the birth of his father John, but from his death about 1820 it would have been about 1750. I believe he came to Liverpool from Prescot, but cannot find how he might be connected to Guys already living there. Hope you can help.
Best wishes
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Bill Graham
03/22/2016 09:40:21
Thank you so much, these were my grandparents. It would be great to get the image. I had no dates of birth etc but can now start a proper search. Amelia was known as Minnie and Was from Ireland. Thanks again
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Martin
03/22/2016 09:43:09
It's really great to see you're getting help with your ancestors! Jane has mentioned wanting to send an image to you, so if you give me permission I can pass on your email address to her. I won't publish it on this website (for your privacy and security) - I'll email her directly.
Martin
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Bill Graham
03/22/2016 11:26:54
thanks, this is a great page and is helping me understand my past.
It would be great if you could pass my details onto Jane so she can send me the image
Regards Bill
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Jane
03/29/2016 18:08:15
Still waiting to hear from you -
Kind regards
Jane
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Bill Graham
03/22/2016 10:40:02
That would be good thank you
Regards Bill
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John Douglas
03/26/2016 18:37:06
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Ken Fargher
03/31/2016 15:21:23
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Jane
04/05/2016 00:51:53
If you can give me a little bit more info on your Grandfather re: full name, any details re: parents & I'll go digging for you
Kind regards
Jane
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Ken
04/05/2016 09:34:14
The Entry of Birth is 7th April 1878. Born at 58 Lemon Street, Kirkdale. Father was Thomas Fargher, mother was Sarah Ann Fargher nee Ryley.
Boy, William Fargher
He had a son, Thomas WILLIAM Fargher, born in Johannesburg by a second wife( first died of consumption and we know little if nothing about her). 14 Nov 1922.
I see little is left of Lemon Street and I believe due to WW2. Would love to know if anyone has photos of the street and around the time of 1878.
Thank you
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Jane
04/05/2016 21:35:13
When I commence my search, I go back as far as I can to the beginning - so I've started with Thomas's parents:- Thomas & Eleanor who originated from the Isle of Man
Thomas Farghar was baptized 12 February 1809 :- parents Clucas Fargher & Isabella Mylchreest
They married 6 June 1807
they were b. abt 1785 they had at least 3 other children.
They were farmers & in 1841 Thomas is also a Farmer.
On 18 July 1839 Thomas married Susannah Christian she is the mother to John Fargher.
Susannah obviously died & Thomas married Eleanor? this event possibly happened in Liverpool as there are least 8 children born starting with Thomas in 1842, then Eleanor in 1843, William Clucas in 1844, Robert in 1845 & Elizabeth in 1846, Jane in 1851, Charles in 1853, George in 1855
I have the marriage cert. of Thomas to Sarah Ann Ryley, but I have his enlistment in to the Boiler maker's Union in 1876
I have just found a "later" Thomas traveling on the Carmania 4 May 1912, occupation SMITH leaving Liverpool bound for New York.
I also have found William's brother Richard b. in 1876 living with wife Lilian & son Richard living at 273 Lower Breck Road.
I could look for more but if you can tell me as to what you have already then I can concentrate looking in other areas.
If you have non of the aforementioned, then have Martin pass on my direct email & I'll gladly forward the images to you.
Look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Jane
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Bill Graham
04/03/2016 22:30:41
Regards Bill
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Jane
04/05/2016 00:48:52
I'm like that song "I'm still waiting" hopefully you'll get your images soon - if there's anything else I can help with - please don't hesitate
Look forward to hearing from you & would just like to add - Martin "You're a great host for doing what you do!!!
Regards
Jane
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Martin
04/05/2016 10:15:12
Thank you for your kind comment! I love doing this website, and am so glad you're able to add your own knowledge in here too!
Martin
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Bill Graham
04/05/2016 09:39:03
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Bill Graham
04/05/2016 12:03:40
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Jane H
04/06/2016 20:22:47
Does anyone know any of these names?
Thanks, and will just go through and have a good read!!
Jane
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Jane
04/07/2016 00:24:38
I'm also Jane & I have possibly found all your Pearse boys, with photographs & birth records for their time spent with the Merchant Navy.
I would love to forward the images to you - but I think we have to go through our web host, the incredible Martin.
So without further ado - Martin - you have my permission to forward my email to Jane.
Look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Jane
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Jane
04/07/2016 01:11:34
In no particular order
I've just discovered that John - 1880, Francis - 1882, Agnes 1885, Joseph - 1887 & **Margaret - 1889**, Dominic - 1891, Richard - 1878 were baptized at St. Alphonsus RC Church
In St. Augustine's RC Church the following children were baptized:- Ann Maria - 1873,who married Richard Tuer in 1915 & then later emigrated to the United States and received her citizenship in 1941.
Honora - 1876, Patrick - 1875 was baptized in St. Augustine's RC Church
** There was another Margaret b. & Baptized at St. John's RC Church in 1895
The only one that is missing (yet) is Sissy however I have all the baptism images of the aforementioned.
And the marriage of Ann Maria
Please let me know if you would like them?
Kind regards
Jane
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Jane
04/13/2016 22:46:05
It seems like everyone's gone quiet?
Is Liverpool basking in glorious sunshine - we've had high 70's already & no snow - thank the Lord!!
Hope to hear from Bill soon
Kind regards
Jane
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Bill Graham
04/14/2016 07:18:26
Regards Bill
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Jane
04/14/2016 18:11:19
I check the site nearly every day - so I think Martin's on Crosby beach basking in 80 degree's of sunshine - only joking!
Hope all's well Martin & I'm sure whatever the delay - we'll get there in the end.
If there's anything else Bill I can help you with - just let me know
Kind regards to all
Jane
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Martin
04/14/2016 18:20:41
I sent you an email this morning - has it arrived? Perhaps it got into your spam folder? Sorry, must be dodgy wifi with all these Gormley statues around here! ;)
Martin
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Jane
04/14/2016 19:00:01
Thanks Martin - it must be the 8000 miles between us - never gave it a thought to check that.
There you are stuck in the middle with all the other junk!! which I never knew I had.
Hopefully Jane H will get in touch as I have the photo's of all of her Pearse siblings, it seems all but a few of the family emigrated to the States.
And also found out that the missing Sissy was the nick name for Ann Maria.
Glad to know all's well in the pool
Kind regards
Jane
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Bill Graham
04/18/2016 20:00:34
Imagine the shock of finding out that I am either a Graham or a
Hollerhead or in fact a Graham - Hollerhead. Jane very quickly established the spelling of my grandmothers maiden name as McGrae. I know I had an uncle Ernie and he was known as Ernie Mack, I wonder what his relationship to my grandmother was as he was born a couple of years before my father.
Once again a big hanks to Jane for the rsearch she did for me and to Martin for a great site.
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Martin
04/19/2016 09:17:20
Great to hear this tale of your family history research, and so glad this site linked you up with Jane. I hope others find the site as useful as you have.
Martin
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Joseph Hollerhead
04/30/2016 11:36:27
I would love to connect with you.
Cheers,
Joe
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Bill Graham
05/02/2016 09:16:50
I will ask MARTIN to pass on my email to you.
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Ann
06/03/2016 07:52:53
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AnnmarieH
06/03/2016 08:14:41
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Martin
06/16/2016 11:58:08
Like you, I can't find anything on the street itself. Is it just general information you need, or would you like to know something specific?
Regards,
Martin
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Jacqui
07/21/2016 21:56:53
According to the 1851 census I have just received, my 3 x great grandparents Gordon and Ann GRANT and their family and servants lived at 7 Blackfield Terrace, Kirkdale. Can you tell me if there would be any existing records, photos or information around this. Gordon J J Grant was a tobacco broker.
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Jane
02/05/2017 00:17:03
My name is Jane & I read your post - I took the liberty of checking out your ancestor and have found his marriage certificate and death details as reported in a coroners report - if you already have this information please accept my apologies for the intrusion, if you don't please feel free to contact me.
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Joan griffiths
09/01/2016 18:52:17
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lynn lucas
11/29/2016 15:43:14
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D Owens
09/12/2016 11:34:55
I was born on Barlow Lane in 1965 and lived there until 1976 when we were cleared and the houses later demolished.
We lived in no.30 and I remember Wally Dean's glaziers shop at one end, and Burtons at the other. Been trying to remember the name of the little chippy on the same side as my old school St Lawrence?
The shop facing Lulu's pub was owned by Reggie and Margaret (Powell?)
Does anybody have information on photographs showing "our" side of the street, what was the even numbers? All pictures seem to show the pub side,the houses still remain, but cannot find any of our old Victorian ones with the steps up to the doors.
Colourful was a good word for the area in those days! I remember a huge commotion one Saturday night as someone broke Burtons window and rode off on a motorcycle attempting to keep the fully suited and booted window dummy on the back as a very unsteady pillion passenger!
Dave.
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Nicola
12/28/2020 21:51:39
Just found this site. Wally Dean is my 1st cousin 2 x removed. My Grandfather Hugh Harris lived with the Deans before moving to Kent. I have a photo of Wally Dean’s Deebro Oils van. The shop was 67 Barlow Street. My Mum remembers them having a shop that sold chocolate!
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Colin Beet
11/22/2016 15:50:30
It is thought that some years later a memorial plaque was placed on the pavement outside Burtons at the junction of Walton Road and Barlow Lane. This has still to be confirmed.
Any comment or additional information about this incident would be greatly appreciated
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Martin
11/30/2016 20:57:15
I've seen someone else on another forum asking about the same issue, and a fellow contributor pointed out that the bodies were always recovered, and any destroyed buildings were made safe. This would be for general safety reasons, but it would also make recovery of the bodies easier. Apparently stories like this one, of bodies left behind, were common in those days! The shelter is marked on the 1949-54 map, so no doubt the story of the direct hit is all too true.
Martin
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lynn lucas
01/29/2018 13:32:10
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Becky Hobson
01/27/2017 01:02:36
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Martin
02/05/2017 17:35:14
Sandon Road was on the spot now occupied by Genista Close north west of Walton Hall Park. You can still see Gladstone Road, and Sandon Road was two roads north, as you can see on this map of north Liverpool. You can see Sandon Road in the far bottom right, and Gladstone Road is two roads further right, off the map. Note that on that map, north is to the left.
Regards,
Martin
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Becky Hobson
02/07/2017 10:26:25
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Bernie M Evans
02/11/2017 21:10:42
Aunt Sally , Bleach and Pine , 3 for half a crown .
We would buy them for 2/- ( two shillings ) and would make a tanner (6d) on each transaction . Not bad for 8 and 9 year olds them days. Can't remember who owned the shop , anybody know?
Cheers
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Jane
02/12/2017 08:47:26
You you be so kind as to contact Andy Craig for me - replied to his post.
We're related and I'd love to share the Mussell family history with him
You can pass on my email
Kind regards
Jane
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Martin
02/13/2017 10:02:38
Yes, I will do!
Martin
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Jane
12/31/2017 01:25:16
Its been quite a while & I wondered if you had any joy contacting Andy Craig.
I'm in frequent contact with Joe & Lily (Mussell) Saunderson and have helped them fill in all the gaps regarding their family tree.
Seasons Greeting & A Happy New Year
Kind regards
Jane
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Martin
01/04/2018 18:53:11
I emailed Craig on 15th February but never got a reply. I passed on your email address to him but I'm guessing he never got in touch?
Martin
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Jane
02/12/2017 09:03:50
Just another snippet - met someone here in my tiny little town - called Peter Reid.
He studied at Liverpool University as a teacher, he also assisted at the Rydal Club - off Scotland Road, during the early 60's.
Peter was also friends with the owners of Bibby's and apparently they were kind enough to lend Peter and his colleagues Bibby's work vans - these would be used to ferry groups of kids from the Rydal Club to the Lake District or Wales etc.
Amazingly Peter was a keen photographer and he captured scores of photo's of the kids having a wonderful time.
Not only that but nearly all of them have their names attached to their photo!
If any of your followers remember such a time or were a member of the Rydal Club and would like a copy of any of these photo's please contact me and I'll be more than happy to pass on the happy memories.
Kind regards
Jane
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John McMillan
05/08/2019 13:55:06
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Jane
06/15/2020 00:33:34
Its been a while since I've been on the site - but I will find the images and get back to you.
Once again apologies for the delay
Kind regards Jane
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bob
02/12/2017 22:39:42
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Martin
02/27/2017 20:04:56
Eldon Grove was built in 1912 as workers houses, by Liverpool Corporation. It was a relatively grand looking building for the poorer people of the time, and was placed close to the docks where the residents would have worked.
It was later used as student flats, I understand, but has been derelict for a long time now.
I've not heard any stories of the place being haunted, but it's definitely the kind of building which attracts those kinds of rumours!
There's more history on that building, plus photos of inside taken recently, on the My Urban Liverpool website: http://urbanliverpool.blogspot.co.uk/p/eldon-grove-tenements.html
Martin
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J Welsby
02/17/2017 14:48:10
My mother had a dear friend whose nickname was Rusty, because of her rusty coloured hair. Rusty worked at Hobbies for many years during WW11 & later she ran a B&B somewhere around the Break Road area through the 1970s-1980s. Among her guests where the many stars and entertainers who appeared at The Empire & other Liverpool theatres.
I would love to know more about Rusty, who was a lovely character. I believe she was a widow with no children. Her full name would be helpful but the only thing I can remember is that her nickname was also a short version of her first name, which was something like... Ruzena or Ruzenah, Ruzenka, Ruzenkah.
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philip peter ryan
05/03/2017 16:52:13
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Colin Beet
06/25/2017 15:34:54
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Billy Rotherham
01/24/2018 19:52:10
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01/29/2018 16:33:15
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Shaun Joynson
05/08/2018 10:41:03
I am wondering if you can help me regarding S A Joynson's shop on Westminster Road. S A stood for Sarah Alice - my great grandmother, who I believe set up the shop after her husband Edward died young. Also, I would like to know about Medlock Street, where my father was born in 1923. I note that it is now a waste ground, but would be interested to see if I could find a street plan.
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Martin
06/19/2018 18:54:42
Another reader asked about Medlock Street back in 2012, and I replied with a bit of information there, so click that link to find out more. There is a street plan of Medlock Street on this site (look to the east of Kirkdale Gaol), from a little earlier than when your father was born, but no doubt it looked roughly the same.
Best wishes,
Martin
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Trish
05/24/2018 12:28:12
My family have links with Kirkdale....my mother was born in Pluto Street and many of her family lived here during the early 1900s.
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Jane
06/16/2018 09:43:42
Please forgive the intrusion but I took a look at your family history on you gt. grandmother's side
Sarah Alice McKie b. 2 August 1870 - she married Edward Joynson in 1896 in St. Mary's, Kirkdale.
Her parents were Alexander Charles Maudsley (Mozley) McKie b. 1829 & Elizabeth Hule - they married in St. Nicholas's C of E 23 March 1856
Sarah had a brother John Alexander Fletcher McKie b. 21 August 1868 - d. 21 February 1872 & is buried in Anfield Cemetery Consecrated section 10, plot 970.
If you wish to know more & I haven't offended you - please let me know & I will gladly forward whatever I find out.
If you already have this information - please accept my apologies.
Kind regards
Jane
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Shaun Joynson
06/20/2018 11:02:33
You most certainly have NOT offended me. In fact, I am very grateful for this information. I recently visited Kirkdale and Walton, but as it was on the last day of my trip, I was not able to stay long.
My sister and I are hoping to visit over the summer holidays (we both work in education) and any clues such as this are most useful.
Again, my thanks.
Shaun
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Shaun Joynson
06/20/2018 11:15:29
This is brilliant stuff, thank you so much for it.
In another posting you mentioned about how this area was a bit better off than most. That adds up. My grandfather was a shipping clerk and my father was for a time, an apprentice accountant. Later he worked as a boilerman in the David Lewis Northern Hospital prior to joining the Royal Marines in 1942.
What would also be interesting to know is what schools he would have gone to.
Many thanks for this again.
Kindest Regards
Shaun
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Martin
06/20/2018 22:37:33
Was that posted by you? I haven't been on Historypin for ages, so was quite shocked at the coincidence of seeing the name Joynson there!
Martin
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Shaun Joynson
07/09/2018 11:13:55
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Douglas Oxer
08/26/2018 02:14:02
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Jane
09/21/2018 23:38:59
How far have you got with your research - if you would like me to do some more digging - I would be happy to help you out
Kind regards Jane
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Ann Marie Hall
10/26/2018 14:18:22
My mum lived in 9B and was called Marie/Maria Cleary, born 22/3/1933. She had a sister Frances older than her and who died of TB aged 18. Mum worked at BAT for a short time in her 20's. Her siblings were older - Frances, Kitty/Kate (married Paddy McArdle and lived in walton), John (died in Burma), Jimmy, Lizzie (married Billy Frost & lived in Immason St, Walton), & Gerard (had a son Christopher?).
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Billy Rotherham
10/26/2018 20:21:52
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ray hind
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Pat Allerton
11/08/2018 17:56:37
Hi John , my husband grew up in 29 Suffield Rd , his family probably knew yours. He was born in 1948. Left when he joined the Royal Navy. He would have known some of the same people as you.
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Kevin Mussell
11/09/2018 11:16:03
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Elizabeth doran
11/11/2018 21:23:06
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Jane
12/28/2018 23:31:31
Regarding your surname - I have a direct line to a Mussell family in my family tree & have made connections with other Mussell connections via this forum - would you be interested to see if we have a connection?
I now live in BC Canada - but have been researching my ancestry for over 20 years
Martin has my direct email - & would be happy for him to pass it on to you
Kind regards
Jane
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Kevin Musselle
12/29/2018 13:14:41
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Jane
01/01/2019 22:25:54
Looking forward to hearing from you - please Martin can you forward my email to Kevin or shall I just add it to the comments box?
Kindest regards & Happy New Year
Jane
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Elizabeth doran
01/19/2019 16:26:50
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Elizabeth Doran
01/25/2019 18:21:52
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Lynn
01/25/2019 20:51:01
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01/26/2019 18:45:23
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Alan Beattey
03/14/2020 18:53:25
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jane
09/15/2020 05:34:31
Re: March 14, 2020 at 6:53 pm
Alan Beattey
I'm trying to do a little digging on your behalf
So far I have come up with the fact that Rachel Luney/Looney married Wallace Stanley Eastwood in Belfast in the first Q. of 1909
It appears that Wallace S. Eastwood was born in Halifax England 30 August 1880. He must have served an apprenticeship as a Carpenter & my suspicion is that he worked in Belfast for the White Star Line - who built the Titanic among others.
Therefore I believe that Rachel was born in Ireland on the 7 June 1884 & moved with Wallace to Liverpool after 1911 & before the 1930's
In 1891 the census has the Eastwood family as follows:-
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Dyson Eastwood Head Married Male 49 1842 Mechanic Elland, Yorkshire, England
Etty Dyson Eastwood Wife Married Female 42 1849 Draper Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Amy Eastwood Daughter Single Female 24 1867 Shop Assistant Elland, Yorkshire, England
Eliza Anne Eastwood Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Shop Assistant Elland, Yorkshire, England
Edith Eastwood Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Dressmaker Elland, Yorkshire, England
Wallace Stanley Eastwood Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Elland, Yorkshire, England
Beatrice Eastwood Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Elland, Yorkshire, England
Gladys Eastwood Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Elland, Yorkshire, England
In 1901 The Eastwood family are as follows:-
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James D Eastwood Head Married Male 59 1842 Mechanic Woollen Machinery Elland, Yorkshire, England
Betty Eastwood - Married Female 54 1847 - Todmorden, Lancashire, England
Edith Eastwood - Single Female 25 1876 Dress Maker Elland, Yorkshire, England
Gertrude Eastwood - Single Female 22 1879 Retail Confectioner Elland, Yorkshire, England
Wallace S Eastwood - Single Male 20 1881 Cabinet Maker Elland, Yorkshire, England
Gladys Eastwood - Single Female 12 1889 - Elland, Yorkshire, England
In 1911 Wallace S. Eastwood is living at 26 Mayflower St. Pottinger Co. Down, Ireland with his wife Rachel in the home of her parents.
His Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Father: Thomas Looney b. 1839 Belfast
Mother : Rachel Ede b. 1845 Surrey England
Daughter : Rachel b. 1884 Belfast
The Census states that Thomas & wife Rachel had 6 children - but 3 had died this means that Rachel had 2 siblings who have either married or left the family home.
I have found the 1901 Irish Census & the 2 siblings are not at the address of 58 in Park Avenue (Victoria, Down)
I have just found the marriage of Thomas & Rachel "Ede" in the Parish of Portsea Hampshire in 1865
It appears that Thomas is working as a Wheeler on a road gang for his father Thomas on Southsea Castle
Rachel's father is John Ede - Occupation: Farmer
I have found Rachel Looney's birth cert. & one of her sibling's John Fletcher Looney b. 1880
I also found the birth cert. of Wallace S. Eastwood & Rachel Lonney's first child b. 1910
I will keep digging for you & see if I can figure the connection
Kindest regards
Jane
PS If you wish to connect with me privately - then you can make a request through Martin
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BRIAN CLARKE
04/29/2020 17:58:01
The various census records indicate Henry as still being at that address in 1911 and that they were all involved in the Flour Mill industry and quite likely Henry joined up for the 1st WWar and at the end stayed on in Somerset where his last Posting was.
Any information photos of the area would be appreciated.
We know that Annie Eardley came from Bangor in North Wales and John Clarke was son of John Clarke and Hannah Peplow and was 1 of 21 children .
The Peplow line is quite well listed but have stumbled with John Clarke 1809 - 1872
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Jane
06/15/2020 00:58:31
Would you like any help sources images relating to baptisms, marriage & burials.
I would gladly assist you if you need help
Kind regards Jane
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Brian Clarke
06/16/2020 06:38:47
I will look through the info I have and what I am stuck with and get back to you.
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John McMillan
06/16/2020 20:43:53
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BRIAN CLARKE
06/16/2020 22:05:56
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06/16/2020 22:32:18
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Jane
09/12/2020 05:55:23
Forgive the intrusion - but I checked out your David Thomas Clark - I actually believe he was born in 1862 - I have found a baptism record for him. His father was James (Bricklayer/Plasterer) & mother Ann The address given was Myrtle St.
I found his first marriage in 1889 to Elizabeth Hooley they both resided in Marlow St.
He was aged 28 at that time so making his birth date closer to the baptism record I found and not the second marriage were its feasible that he knocked off a few years due to the fact that Catherine is only 20.
In 1897 he was a widower & married Catherine Cain
I think he died in 1913 in the Liverpool workhouse & is buried in Rice Lane Cemetery.
If you don't have the certificates I will gladly forward them to you
Kind regards
Jane
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Karen Smith
05/25/2020 20:06:46
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Brian Melrose
03/08/2021 23:29:38
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ShaunJ
05/26/2020 07:58:14
Its worth also posting on the I’m from Kirkdale Facebook Group and the Old Photos of Liverpool and Liverpool in Black and White, also on FB.
They turned up the photo of my Great Grandmother’s shop on Westminster Road.
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John McMillan
06/16/2020 20:16:51
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Kate Nolan
07/23/2020 11:50:38
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Hilary Smith
08/17/2020 21:44:36
I am researching the Locker family history. They lived in the Kirkdale area - has anyone come across any Lockers?
Thanks
Hilary
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Jane
09/17/2020 17:41:08
Would you please reach out to Alan Beatty - whom I carried out some research without him knowing - due to the fact that he resides in the States & may not have checked in to your site since he posted the request.
Kindest Regards
Jane
Canada
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Martin Greaney
09/28/2020 17:14:40
I've sent Alan an email and a link to your comment. Thanks so much for providing that information. Hopefully he'll be very interested!
Martin
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Joanne H
09/17/2020 20:52:06
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Jane
09/19/2020 20:53:09
My name is Jane - I assist people to further the journey into finding their ancestors - if you can furnish me with a few more details I will start a search for you.
Kind regards Jane
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Jane
09/19/2020 22:04:46
I have already made a start & I hope that my finding a correct - Francis Melton b. 7 March 1882 the son of Isaac & Ellen Melton, formally Quinlan - Godmother on Baptism cert. Ellen White?
It is possible that Francis's parents died & he was taken in by family.
In 1891 he is living with Joseph White & family ( described as adopted son)
And on his marriage cert. he states that Joseph was his father - (but this is not correct)
I have found a photo of him also
Let me know if you would like me to keep going?
Look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards Jane
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Joanne Hitchmough
10/27/2020 08:40:13
Sorry for the l have only just saw your message, I would love if you could keep going. What you have found so far seems correct.
I know my great grandfather knew Jack White from the band Jack White and his Collegians they cycled over to Ireland to find Francis’s mum.
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Claire O’Brien
01/31/2021 16:10:30
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Ann
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Julie Jones
03/28/2021 14:06:42
I am researching the Teijen family in Kirkdale, with the head of the family, Hermann, who was a German immigrant. The family later changed their surname to Teachen. Hermann married Christina and they had several children, including Alfred, who had a shop in Lemon Street, although I believe this would not exist anymore as the street was heavily bombed out during WW2.
Any information on the Teijen / Teachen family would be very gratefully received, especially whereabouts in Germany Hermann came from and why he came to Liverpool.
I have found some relatives and ancestors on Ancestry, but would love to hear from anyone who may have more info.
Thank you so much
Jules
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Julie Jones
03/28/2021 14:11:04
Hermann was born around 1859 and his son Alfred was born in 1910. I am particularly interested in Hermann’s other son, George, who was born around 1903.
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Chris
12/30/2022 20:48:16
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Alison
06/30/2021 00:06:14
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Brian Clarke
11/17/2021 20:15:08
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Andy B
02/22/2022 16:59:25
I am trying to research my "outlaws" Joyce and Stan Hough.
I was told by an old friend of theirs that they used to live in Kirkdale in the early 1960s near (I think) a ball bearing factory?
Has anyone any idea where that was?
Many thanks for your help!
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Martin Greaney
03/08/2022 09:32:46
I've found a reference to a National Shell Factory, which no doubt could have turned its hand to ball bearings and other more specific parts of munitions. It was apparently converted from a tramway workshop in 1916, under the Liverpool Munitions Management Committee. I got this information here, which also has a couple of abbreviated references to the things they produced: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/National_Shell_Factories (there are six factories referred to in Liverpool, so do a search on that page for 'lambeth road').
You can see the Tramway Carriage Works on this map from the National Library of Scotland: (reproduced courtesey of NLS) https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.43036&lon=-2.98120&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld
Best wishes,
Martin
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Joe
03/25/2022 00:27:36
I found this website while trying to research a person / property and I'm hoping yourself, or someone here can help.
There is a workshop on Back Westminster, registered address is 1A Back Westminster Road. Kirkdale, Liverpool, L44PG. According to the land registry this property is registered to a Mr Francis John Stapleton, but no one in the workshops along Back Westminster Road knows this name.
Mr Stapleton is registered as living in 1A but there's been no one seen coming or going from this workshop for years.
I believe this workshop was home to Colin Enright and his business, Enright Ladders.
I've also heard this workshop was used by a Burt Illingworth for some time, but I'm not sure what years the shop was used by the people I've mentioned.
Just trying to find out what has / is happening with this property and the people that own it, as it currently seems abandoned.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Regards, Joe.
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Emilie Moore St Pierre
03/27/2022 18:56:23
We were wondering if you could help solve this. My cousin and I are doing research on an ancestor (uncle) who died in 1904 age of 18 months. The street address was 63 Candia St. We were wondering if there was a hospital or Infirmary there? When we checked the street from google it show Candia Towers. Our grandparents lived on Netherfield Rd, N for many years. We know that street was bombed in WWII.
All members of our families have passed.
We would appreciate any information you have.
Thank you
Regards Emilie
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Martin Greaney
04/07/2022 18:37:14
As far as I can tell there was not a hospital or something like that near Candia Street. I would guess that your uncle was born at home, hence why this address was on the birth certificate. Candia Street was lined with terrace houses at the time, and number 63 would have been one of those.
Best wishes,
Martin
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Gill Harris
04/22/2022 12:13:42
I am researching my dads family tree and have little information as I never met any of them. My father was David Harris born 1912, his mother was Sarah Lucy (maiden name Carr). I know he had five brothers and three of them went into the Seamans Orphanage in Newsham Park including my dad. Their dad George died in 1917. Sarah Lucy lived in 42 Kirkdale Vale according to the 1921 census. I believe her father, Edward Carr, was a policeman at Westminster Road station around the 1900's and possibly a couple of her brothers.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Gill
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Jane
04/27/2022 07:07:06
My name is Jane, I sure Martin will attest to my character, I am a researcher who from time to time will assist people research their family trees.
I do this as a hobby and do not ask for any kind of reimbursement for my time, only a tap on the back if I find something that brings a sense of fulfillment & the odd answer or two.
If you would like me to search on your behalf - just let me know
Kindest regards Jane
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Gill Harris
04/30/2022 00:46:38
I would love it if you could help.
Thank you so much for the offer.
Best wishes
Gill
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Chris Jackson
12/22/2022 11:24:57
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Jane
04/30/2022 17:34:22
So nice to hear from you - do you have an Ancestry tree?
If not I can set one up for you at no cost - I will invite you to "your tree" which you can visit & add to it.
If you scroll back to 2020 - check out the post from Kate Nolan - I did the same & connected her with close family that she wasn't aware of on the other side of the world.
If you can - tell me as to what you have & how far you've got then that saves time - just one other thing I should mention, I do not live in the UK, but close to Vancouver, Canada so there is an 8 hour time difference.
I own & operate 3 businesses so I do this as a downtime relax chill out therapy!
I have just found Lucy, (Cleaner) David (occupation: Barman) & sibling Florence (Pools Clerk u/e) in the pre war 1939 census - do you have this?
I have found lots of other things but as mentioned I need to know how far you have got?
Look forward to hearing from you
Kindest regards Jane
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Brian.clarke
05/02/2022 18:21:48
Family list were Henry Albert 1890, Ethel 1892, Fredrick 1893, Thomas 1896, Victoria 1898, Winifred 1899, Gertrude 1901, John 1902 Alfred 1904, Elsie 1907, Dora 1908, and Frank 1910,
The Clarkes seem to have come from Shropshire and I have other branches going further back but not seem to know much about these.
Did the various Mills in the Kirkdale area have names associated with them? as I have another list associating various family members with certain named mills but a lot may be in various locations going back into Shropshire?
anything you can through any light on would be appreciated.
regards
Brian Clarke.
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Jane
05/03/2022 01:51:49
Thank you for reaching out to me - I will try & do some digging & also reach out to my cousin back in the UK.
I also have family in my own tree that were either millers who came from the Cheshire area - my grandfather worked for Scotts - Bakers & apparently they lived above the shop in Byrom Street.
Kindest regards Jane
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BRIAN CLARKE
09/28/2022 19:58:35
noticed a few pictures of Lambeth Road on various sites, which gave me a feel of the area but like to move forward
We do know that Henry was in the Royal Engineers and towards the end of the 1st WW he was stationed at Portbury in Somerset where they were constructing a shipyard.
Henry my Grandfather settled then in Easton in Gordano, Somerset raising a family including my Father Eric.
anything you can find out will be appreciated.
kind regards
Brian.
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Gill Harris
05/03/2022 11:07:27
Thank you so much for looking for me.
Yes, I have an ancestry tree on ancestry.com called Harris family tree. I have found a lot of information but cannot seem to find any information about any living relatives. My dad was 58 when I was born so most of my first cousins on the Harris side have passed. Can't find much information about their children either.
Anything you can find is much appreciated.
best wishes
Gill
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Gill Harris
05/03/2022 11:11:46
Sorry, meant to say I don't have any information from the 1939 census so anything you can find from that would be great.
Thanks
Gill
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Jane
05/03/2022 18:34:28
It's my morning - your evening
Do you mind if I gander through your tree? Is it public?
If not you could invite me - please ask Martin to pass on my email to you if you want to communicate directly {if you feel comfortable with that?}
Kind regards Jane
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Gill Harris
05/04/2022 09:08:28
Yes my tree is public, feel free to have a look.
I will ask Martin for your email.
Thank you
Gill
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Gill Harris
05/04/2022 09:09:18
Could you email me Jane's email address please.
Thank you
Gill
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Jane
12/31/2022 19:15:54
I would like to wish you a very Happy New Year 2023 - let's hope for all our sake's that things will improve for everyone.
I'm not sure if you sent Gill my email or not - it might have slipped through the net - so please feel free to forward it to her.
Work here on the Sunshine Coast BC, Canada has not slowed down & we have been fairly isolated from all the "wokeness" that seems to have besieged some of our fellow men.
So please when ever I can get the opportunity to help a fellow researcher on their journey I am more than happy to do so.
Best wishes
Jane
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Martin Greaney
01/03/2023 15:54:52
Wow, yes, that seems to have passed me by! I've passed on your details to Gill. Thanks again for doing this work so enthusiatically - it's very much appreciated by those you help.
Best wishes,
Martin
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Patrick Warriner
10/22/2024 12:02:56
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Dorothy Gradden
02/16/2024 10:33:01
There is also a family story that we are related to the Jospeh Jones brewery and again I wondered if anyone knows of any links between Isaac and the Brewery family
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wendy parry
02/26/2025 16:31:17
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Danielle Lenihan
05/12/2025 12:40:41
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Sheila
06/05/2025 21:32:05
I am trying to locate some ancestors. The first is Janet nee Bird Williams. Her death cert in 1868 says her address was 32a Foley Street, Kirkdale. Her husband supposedly died 2 years later (1870). His death cert says his address was 32 Castle Street, Kirkdale. Could Foley St and Castle St be the same streets? TYVM.
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Martin Greaney
06/11/2025 17:28:52
Yes, that's likely. Foley Street was once known as Castle Street, as you can see on the Society for Diffusion of Useful Knowledge map of 1849.
Confusingly, there's a Back Castle Street on that map which I think is now part of Smith Street, but there was still a Back Castle Street in the middle of the last century, as shown here on the Old Streets of Liverpool map.
Best wishes,
Martin
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